Though, both to make it more readable and because adding italics to a large cluster of text one paragraph at a time is a pain, I'll skip the italics for the rest of this post. So, long wall of text within the spoiler:
Starting with, funny enough, your post:
Kelsy Zuramaru, Charlotte, I will avenge you
You're using I instead of we, curious...
Two deaths on a setup this big is not unusual, a curious non-statement.
Vermillion you didn't come to look at my art collection, is there still a chance I can persuade you to indulge?
Are you assuming you haven't been visited or are you fully aware you haven't been visited? Hmm.
Fooling around is not alignment indicative (NAI) but neither is it particularly productive, and it technically stimulates others to meme along and obscures the collections and parsing of useful info from the thread. I'm gonna hope it tones down as the day continues.
maybejessi hard blaming someone with no evidence or even a decent theory is pretty self damning
I'd hard disagree on this one, flash-accusations are a very common method of pushing for suspicions and forcing dialogue. If anything, immediately returning fire by calling the person calling you out suspect themselves is actually pretty suspect, it comes off as defensive or deflective. But could be a difference in paradigm.
Moseby2 It's still early someone might come out with some juicy info.
I don't agree with the mentality that we just sit on our thumbs until town info gives us a safe lynch, it's entirely fine to poke and prod now.
I like that Kuro is at least prodding people for answers, proactivity is a good look.
Vermillion oh? Do you think that what I did is something scum would do?
I'd like to hear your reasoning for that.
This is closer to how town responds when accused, at least in my book.
Firstly, I assume you mean tonight, tomorrow night is technically night 2. Secondly, the phrasing irks me a little, but not for a reason I can put my finger on. It feels almost dismissive.
maybejessi listen man I’m new to the game and don’t really know what’s going on, but I do see cliques already and don’t particularly care to be on either side of the cliques. I just know that if someone starts hard blaming someone new while they try and get to know people who already know eachother, just because they seem like an easy target, it seems pretty scummy to me
I can see your reasoning for the second half, so I'll get off your case for now. However, mentioning "There are cliques already" but not mentioning them is once again NAI but also unforthcoming. If you have insights into group dynamics, especially from an outside perspective, then share it with the group. So yeah, which cliques are you seeing being formed?
Prince-Ruffian Perhaps if you let me know how you were of my absence last night I would be more willing to speak a little more of my own business
Good point, like I mentioned above. I think I appreciate the fact that Prince is operating on a similar wavelength, even if they are still coming off as a bit standoffish.
Vermillion ah, silly me for not refreshing before posting. Lets just say I know my room very well, piles and piled of paintings are hard to not disturb.
A soft claim I see.
Prince-Ruffian this statement is implying your not town. Are you perhaps something else?
I don't really see how that statement could have been formed better. "We got rolled" seems equally suspicious, purposely using 'We' to get yourself included is honestly more suspect than simply referring to town as a third person. Still, Prince feels less like a scum trying to distract or cause chaos and more a town whose method I don't entirely see eye to eye with, so I'm growing more optimistic as per their alignment.
Prince-Ruffian Was anyone roleblocked, transported or in any way knowledgeable about something happening to them last night?
Good question, though I sure hope individuals wouldn't need to be directly prompted to actually answer. Still, with the question out there, people can't say "I forgot to mention" later down the line.
DESUWA Fortunately for me nothing happened desuwa~ It was uneventful night where I did nothing desuwa~ I slept through peaceful desuwa~ Unfortunately this also means I got nothing to report desuwa~
The second half wasn't the question, I'm on the fence on whether or not it is suspect to suddenly go "I have absolutely no info, I wasn't visited, I didn't do anything". Plus, there's something in the way you formated this post compared to previous post that feels more artificial and forced. Especially the usage of 'Fortunately' and 'Unfortunately' feel like perception qualifiers. I think I'll have to keep my eye on you.
Kelsy Is this a signal for something? 🤔
Kelsy What kind of poor decisions are you thinking about, Mr. Corpse?
Kelsy seems pretty hooked to 'catch' Corpse on something he said, despite the fact that they haven't really said anything of value thusfar. An unusual drink or saying 'I wanna make bad decisions' related to alcohol aren't strange statements in my eyes, especially the latter since that means you both share the opinion that alcohol would be a stupid idea now (as per Kels' comment on N0.) I've yet to see whether you're just pushing less active town into conversations or you're trying to paint a target onto Corpse for some reason.
Ringo Where is your mind at, Kelsy
Ringo What made you think that was a signal?
I feel like it is a good sign that Ringo has a similar thought pattern to me.
Vermillion Nothing wrong with suspecting stuff, but I think this particular zombie was just asking for a pick-me-up
Vermillion has consistently acted in ways that makes me start to green-lean him, this post included.
Kelsy Ralphs and your's earlier disagreement was interesting 👀
That doesn't actually answer the question Kels, also I haven't really seen anything from either that makes me question their behavior so I feel like this is a bit of a deflect or a non-answer.
maybejessi I was not given any information, sadly. Nor do I have anything to offer from reading all the posts
Yet another who fully covers all their bases and go "I got nothing". We're at this point 90-ish posts into a day thread, not having a single read at all is a bit cheap. Also yet another use of a perception qualifier by a person doing a full cover, this time 'sadly'.
Kelsy I'll make whoever killed the only other sane person pay
Once again a direct mention of vindictive action. I'm going to at this point assume you're soft claiming.
Kuroneko @Vermillion So, did you manage to paint someone last night?
If my understanding of your art is correct, you should be fairly certain if one of us is here for the wrong kind of party.
Prodding for info is good. Redeems you a bit in my eyes. Especially since it seems like a statement that holds some role analysis behind it, which is a good green-trait.
Yeah okay, Kels, you're starting to give me worrying vibes. If you suspect them because the conversation feels artificial or you feel like one of them is pocketing, feel free to mention it. Going "Hmm" and then vanishing for a stretch of time feels like you're either unsure about your suspicions and you're hoping someone else might pick up on them and formulate your point better, which is entirely fine and entirely town. But this could very well be an attempt to throw shade at them in the hope of stimulating our paranoia. I don't think I appreciate the lack of elaboration or the fact you decided to do it to that exchange in particular, since the exchange seemed awkward but in no way actually scum, at least how I saw it. Ideal for pushing doubt if one were to be scum themselves.
Kuroneko His softclaim is staying between me and him.
Well technically it's staying between him and literally everyone with reading comprehension who read the forums. The way you're trying to pocket him rubs me the wrong way.
Vermillion Oh don't be like that, I'm sure a pretty lady like you have plenty of talents
The way you're both pocketing each other rubs me the wrong way.
Kelsy you are both giving me weird vibes, I dunno
For once I fully agree with Kels now. Which means I probably will lay off her for earlier previous statement.
Kuroneko Can I pocket you if I say I think you're a townie? >w>
They say when the heart is flooded the mouth flows over. Pretty interesting you start talking about pocketing right after what looked like an attempted pocket. You're definitely on my watch list now.
maybejessi Though @Kuroneko ’s stutter does give off some professor quarrel vibes, I do think it is a little suspicious that @Starx comes in and bandwagons onto the first vote opportunity presented
Now this is a jessi statement I wholeheartedly agree with. Which is curious, cause it does deflect some heat off Kuro, and Jessi does happen to be my other top red-read. So I'm on the fence whether this is Jessi being smart or Jessi covering for a fellow.
Moseby2 At this point what useful info do we have to go on?
About 120 day posts. Feel free to do what I'm doing.
Kuroneko Ayup, I've been extremely vague and teasing.
I've also collected a few softclaims and several reads from people of interest.
I'd understand if you were to lynch me for being disruptive and not contributing, but just because you can't keep up with my little game of cat and mouse that doesn't make me the baddie <3
The blatant way you say this feels town. But the willingness to say "Hey I'm doing stuff that makes me understand that you'd lynch me" without remorse or regret is just... weird. If you know you're acting in a way that might inspire hostility from the rest of town, why act this way? Still, the unapologetic behavior does seem a bit redeeming.
Ringo Starx idk, but at least they threw out an opinion to read on.
Really? It felt like a very thin opinion, just because it matched your opinion doesn't justify the fact that there really wasn't much to the justification.
That being said, there's nothing inherently wrong with throwing around random votes in the hope of knocking people off their tempo and getting more info, so I'm also not exactly that suspect of Starx just yet, though I'm also not entirely sure whether I like their current style of play.
maybejessi I kind of disagree. I felt like cairus was trying to avoid actual game play and get everyone to just end the game ASAP, because as he admitted, he didn’t want to play. I’d rather people be cryptic and try to determine who’s being genuine. We certainly don’t need to have it all figured out on N0 as he was trying
maybejessi but you didn’t. You just flat voted lol
Yet more Jessi statements I agree with, maybe I should lower my suspicions of you for now.
Kuroneko Honestly I decided to put the game aside for a bit and slap him on the wrist for the way he was playing. I understand being blunt and aggressive is a playstyle, but the way he did it I found fundamentally un-fun and challenged him on it.
Kuroneko @Kelsy is a strong town read for me given how she's avoided and criticized most cliques while also making an very human blunder on Janitor/Medium interactions.
@Vermillion decent town read. I challenged him a bit on his soft claiming but he held up and didn't take advantage of my misunderstanding, staying consistent in his explanations.
@CommanderCorpse is smelling a bit fishy with his soft claim, but that's just natural for what he's softing.
@DESUWA Is absolutely not town lmfao. I'm not elaborating on that one, none of my business.
Regardless on whether you end up scum or town, I absolutely adore the fact you're posting reads. They're solid reads, I can see where you get the reasoning from, I wish more people did them. That being said, I disagree slightly with your Kelsy hard-green, but we seem on a similar wavelength for Desuwa which is curious, since you seem to be the first person thusfar who picked up on the same vibe I did.
Starx anyways @maybejessi seems like youre trying awfully hard to defend kuroneko
Starx yes, that is a way of pressuring people
Also the same wavelength, you're gaining a bit of greenread from me.
maybejessi But I can’t do that if people just vote with no conversational input
But this I do feel strongly about. Absolutely 100% agree. This statement alone has launched my greenread of Jessi by a landslide.
Ringo What do you mean as in cryptic though? Because I'd rather not.
This extends to everybody, but I'd rather people make their reads and thoughts out in the open. Not necessarily roles, I'm iffy on that part. What propels Cairus to a townread (or at least not a mafia, he could be a neutral I suppose) was the way he engaged multiple people and seeming unaligned. Big wants to get things done energy at the moment, which isn't necessarily scummy.
Agree with the first half. For the second half, I think Cai's behavior thusfar is NAI, I'm surprised you're greenreading him based off his earlier posts, but I can see the logic behind what you're saying. I just think that a sufficiently socially-adept scum could pull this off just as well as any townie.
Vermillion I can't help but notice a distinct lack of the handsome bartender on here, you sure you don't have a soft-claim on him?
I'd be surprised if she did, I haven't exactly said anything role-indicative thusfar, making this prompt rather curious. Though, more discussion is always better so I am absolutely not assigning an alignment value to this action.
Ringo Eh I grown used to it as more of his general personality, but fair. But you disliked his strategy, so are you just going to keep poking? What do you see yourself doing later today? Poking for softclaims also isn't necessarily townlike.
This is starting to smell like a mix of bias and emotional entanglement. I'd say calm down a bit, although the questions aren't bad on paper and I do look forward towards the answer the energy you're emitting is coming off a bit confrontational.
Ringo Honestly maybe I'm just clueless, but I didn't even register Corpse softclaiming.
Rereading his stuff, I could theoretically see an extremely soft softclaim, but I do feel like it might indeed be a reach.
Ringo That's a pretty damning statement and I would like at least a little bit of reason to know why, becausse if you're town, that is absolutely your business?? I appreciate you pinging them though.
I didn't really catch it like that on the first read through, but you're absolutely right. Throwing out semi-useful reads but absolutely no elaboration is a bit... suspect.
maybejessi well let’s share a vibe for a vibe. I just feel like their character is a built in trying to be true neutral. Like they don’t want to affiliate with either side, so they’re hanging out and chatting everyone up, not leaning one way or another.
Decent read, stuff like this is really convincing for you being green. Also, no, I'm not a True Neutral, though I can see why you might have gotten that impression.
Vermillion I'm thinking that with such a dedication to a character I doubt they decided on what to do after getting their role, if anything, a bartender is someone who tends to pick up on gossip.
Compared to Jessi's read this one feels a bit hollow. Though I'm getting the weird feeling that you know more than you should on that last sentence alone, which suddenly makes me put you very high on my watchlist...
Ringo FYI, I'll be suspicious if starx never adds anything onto it, or stays on the read for so long, but I do agree that simple votes are easy and fine ways to pressure.
Ringo is starting to come across as town with moments of irrationality and less so scum trying to be manipulative, especially after statements like this that I 100% agree on.
I am rather curious what you base this on, considering until this post I hadn't done a lot of solving yet. Though, I guess that in and of itself is suspect.
Kuroneko It is and I am completely unapologetic! Investigate or rb me if you wish, I'm no trouble to anyone who's not trouble to me~
This is not a good statement. Town should not desire town to waste charges on themselves. Why the hell are you saying this.
CommanderCorpse look, I know I smell a bit funny, but it's a condition okay. I'm sure that if we just hang around for a bit you'll all get used to it.
Corpse is giving surprisingly little actual game relevant input, and statements like this isn't helping his case.
Kuroneko Like I said, some things just aren't my business.
Once again seems to distance themselves from Town-solving. I'm starting to get the impression this is on purpose. Might we be talking with our game's True Neutral?
Ringo are you town
Kuroneko Of course! I don't see how I've alluded otherwise.
It's kinda like if someone asks you if you're fine. And you have to say you're fine but you're not really fine. I don't know what response you expect other than a yes.
My only real defence against a question like that is being obnoxiously vague.
Mixed messages. Which I guess is on purpose? I'm really, really starting to think you're our True Neutral, in which case, you're most definitely not helping your own case by being this cryptic about it. Obnoxiously vague is, by definition, obnoxious. Like you said, we all wanna have fun, so don't be obnoxious.
maybejessi Why didn’t you ask him if he is town back
Good question. Further confirms my impression they're not really townsolving and therefore not town.
Moseby2 Art is in the eyes of the beholder or something, but count me out. My concern is we are about to go to bed when there are potential murderers on this boat, among us. I am on this cruise to retire not be retired.
"Guys, I'm worried about the mafia, we should find them asap." Yeah no kidding. I'm going to assume you're simply getting your engines started and not just fluff posting, cause I don't believe you've contributed anything of use to town beyond rephrasing the obvious.
Kuroneko I noticed that you always hide your drinks for a moment while mixing them, what's up with that?
What? If this is code for something I'm not seeing it.
Actually, I read the rest of the questions and I see that you're just memeing. I'd like to still think, based on behavior patterns, that you're the True Neutral since maf wouldn't be this blatant about not caring to solve, but honestly I'm starting to lose my good vibe on you.
Starx alright well on a more serious note, it's hard to give a very detailed opinion since all im going by is vibes right now. i'm still getting really bad vibes from kuroneko, and from you as well to be totally honest. kelsy always seems to have some trick up her sleeve so idk whether to trust her yet either.
Vibes can be elaborated upon if you wish, you could highlight the posts that you feel encapsulate the vibe. Still, I always appreciate posts that include multiple reads.
Vermillion Starx any vibe check is a good vibecheck, please don't hold back with your opinions
What he said.
EarlyBird Is your read on Desuwa going off their "I'm a friend to everyone" true neutral softclaim, or do you have something beyond that?
Interesting read. Also I do hope Bird comes with less reactive content and more proactive content, but this opening line is already promising.
I'm not about to refresh and risk losing all that, so I'll analyse the newest 10 posts seperately and later. But, based on what I've gathered in the spoiler above, my current read list is the following:
As for the rest of my greys, I'll start poking you guys soon as well if activity doesn't pick up, except for Kuro who is active but I still can't read them.